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War schon ok 8/10 ist dann das Gegenteil von Meisterwerk 7/10? Oder bezieht sich das rein auf CGI?

 

[dynosys]

Extinction (Netflix)

Interessanter Anfang, aber Story fand ich später nur doof.

5/10

Ghostland

Hui, sehr geiler Anfang. Mittelteil ganz ok, letztes Drittel zieht es wieder an. Doch, für nen Horrorabend durchaus brauchbar.

7/10

 

[Zerfikka]

Extinction (Netflix)

Interessanter Anfang, aber Story fand ich später nur doof.

5/10

Vor allem macht die Story in vielerlei Hinsicht keinen Sinn.

Spoiler

Die Menschen haben sich 50 Jahre auf die Rückeroberung vorbereitet und die Synths waren nicht imstande Verteidigungsmaßnahmen zu schaffen? In der Zeit hätten die locker ein paar Orbital Plattformen bauen oder die Städte mit Geschützen überziehen können. Vor allem haben sie wie am Ende zu sehen war sogar sone Art Plasmawaffen Technologie, warum hat man im Verlauf der Invasion nichts davon gesehen?

So ein Schwachsinn ey, da erkämpfen sie sich ihre Freiheit und lassen dann zum Großteil ihre Erinnerungen löschen, merken aber nicht wie über 50 Jahre ihre Kinder kein Stück wachsen, haben die da alle keinen Kalender gehabt? Vor allem so hirnrissig, seine Gedächtnis löschen zu lassen obwohl man genau weiß, daß die Menschen zurück kehren werden. Anstatt darauf vorbereitet zu sein und jeden Haushalt mit Plasmawaffen auszustatten, lebt man also lieber eine langweilige Illusion und wartet darauf zur Schlachtbank geführt zu werden. Gestern hab ich dem Film noch eine 6 gegeben aber je länger ich darüber nachdenke umso niedriger wird die Wertung. 5/10 passt da schon eher, zwischenzeitlich war Action und Spannung ganz ok.

Die Effekte am Ende waren aber auch ganz übel, haben wohl nur noch die Babylon 5 Amiga Rechner zur Verfügung gehabt.

 

[Trekkie2063]

War schon ok 8/10 ist dann das Gegenteil von Meisterwerk 7/10? Oder bezieht sich das rein auf CGI?

CGI

 

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Ghostland

Hui, sehr geiler Anfang. Mittelteil ganz ok, letztes Drittel zieht es wieder an. Doch, für nen Horrorabend durchaus brauchbar.

7/10

Gestern auch geguckt. Geiler Anfang? Mäh. Vorhersehbarer, jumpscare-verseuchter Anfang, welcher sich später in ein spannungsloses Werk ohne Substanz verliert. Hat mir leider überhaupt nichts gegeben und war sehr enttäuscht von dem Film. Wenn es wenigstens bisschen Gore gegeben hätte. Aber nicht einmal das gab es.

 

[dynosys]

Ich fand den Anfang geil. Ging direkt gut ab. Haben wir den selben Film geguckt? Liest sich bei dir irgendwie wie ein anderer Film.

 

[Barry the Scary]

Mission Impossible - Rogue Nation

Nach Mission Impossible Fallout musste ich mir auch nochmal Rogue Nation ansehen und ich muss sagen, er hat mir heute viel besser gefallen wie das letzte mal als ich ihn im Kino gesehen habe. Wahrscheinlich waren meine Erwartungen nach dem verdammt guten vierten Teil einfach zu hoch Rogue Nation kann diesem zwar bei weitem nicht das Wasser reichen aber ist trotzdem ein unterhaltsamer Film mit einem wie immer sehr guten Cast! Besonders Rebecca Furguson ist eine wirkliche Bereicherung
Hoffe nur das Cruise sich auch mit dem nächsten Teil nicht allzu viel Zeit lässt. Für mich haben die Filme nämlich ähnliche Serien, wie James Bond oder gar Bourne längst abgehangen.

 

[Freezi]

Mission Impossible - Rogue Nation

Nach Mission Impossible Fallout musste ich mir auch nochmal Rogue Nation ansehen und ich muss sagen, er hat mir heute viel besser gefallen wie das letzte mal als ich ihn im Kino gesehen habe. Wahrscheinlich waren meine Erwartungen nach dem verdammt guten vierten Teil einfach zu hoch Rogue Nation kann diesem zwar bei weitem nicht das Wasser reichen aber ist trotzdem ein unterhaltsamer Film mit einem wie immer sehr guten Cast! Besonders Rebecca Furguson ist eine wirkliche Bereicherung
Hoffe nur das Cruise sich auch mit dem nächsten Teil nicht allzu viel Zeit lässt. Für mich haben die Filme nämlich ähnliche Serien, wie James Bond oder gar Bourne längst abgehangen.

Das Highlight ist die gesamte Verfolgungsjagd mit dem Auto und dann Motorrad. Einfach wahnsinnig gut gefilmt und inszeniert.

 

[Zerfikka]

Star Wars 8

wtf/10 - ich weiß noch gar nicht wie ich diesen Film bewerten soll, bin noch etwas traumatisiert nach der gestrigen Sichtung Ey, an dem Film ist soviel kaputt, mal abgesehen von der Länge und schlechtem Pacing ist die Darstellung der Macht unfassbarer Blödsinn, da wird alles über den Haufen geworfen was zig Filme und Bücher aufgebaut haben.
Story ist auch übel und größtenteils nur eine Wiederholung alter Ereignisse, dabei haben doch gerade die Bücher gezeigt, daß man soviel neues zeigen kann in diesem Universum.
Bin echt etwas geschockt wie Ryan Johnson das Sw Universum vergewaltigt hat, dem Pisser sollte man nie wieder ein Projekt anvertrauen, der kann weder ein Drehbuch schreiben noch vernünftig Regie führen. Ich hab mich tatsächlich öfters gelangweilt und das in einem Star Wars Film, eigentlich ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit. Abgerundet wurde dieses Desaster durch eine Vielzahl an steifen und peinlichen Dialogen.

Amüsant ist es aber, nach dem Film Imdb Reviews zu lesen, da wird einem bewußt wie viel komprimierte Scheiße in diesem Film steckt.

Spoiler: Zwei unterhaltsame Beispiele:

SPOILER: This movie was just magical.

The Force has become like Harry Potter magic, with a new spell every day or so.

Rey is just magical. With practically training whatsoever she can take on Luke and Kylo and win.

Snoke is magical. He appeared out of nowhere in The Force Awakens and in The Last Jedi has such fantastic Force powers (never before seen in the entire Star Wars Universe) and yet can't tell when his protege is scheming to slice him in two (but could fell his every throught earlier, and even manipulate him and Rey's thoughts and get them to intergalactically Skype each other and even send water through space).

Luke is magical. He can magically project himself light years away and even bring solid things (the lucky dice) with him. Then dies magically for no apparent reason.

Yoda is magical. His Force-ghost actually has more Force powers than when he was alive! Calling down lightning from the sky??? Heck, why don't the Jedi just do that when fighting on Tattooine or whatever? And if Force-ghosts still have Force powers why not the whole gang of Anakin, Ben and Yoda take on Snoke?

Rose is magical. She appears out of nowhere and just happens to go along with Finn on a completely unnecessary mission to find a code breaker, and find not one but TWO code breakers, one of which is in the SAME CELL as they are. I mean, is that magical or what?

Leia is magical. Previously in 7 movies only having the barest abilities in the Force, she now can survive in space for quite a long time and even open her eyes without getting them immediately frozen, and Force-Mary Poppins herself back to the space ship. Magical!

I could go on and on. The biggest problem with The Last Jedi is that it's one shameless Deus Ex Machina after another. And don't even get me started on the stupid feminist nonsense, the inane attempt at comedy, the stupid characters who go nowhere in their characterisation, the stupid casino subplot, the stupid "saving" of Finn who wanted to sacrifice himself by Rose who magically now has feeling for him and both of them magically survive without getting shot at by the entire First Order army. Oops, I did go on and on.

If you make a movie, you need to make sure your movie stays in the universe it came from. Not invent new rules, new powers, new super villains, new behaviours from old characters, etc. out of bloody nowhere.

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I had relatively high expectations of the Episode VIII. Unfortunately, "The Last Jedi" has so many plot holes, inconsistencies, ripoffs from previous movies, annoyingly flat and underdeveloped characters and dialogs, that it deserves many bad reviews that it receives from the public. It could have been so much better...

PLOT HOLES and THINGS THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE - examples:

• Vice Admiral Holdo, for no reason at all, doesn't inform Poe and other members of the Resistance about the planet Crait and the escape plan. This creates Poe's unnecessary mutiny, just to fill the movie with some unneeded drama and to make cheap "twist" when we realize what the Leia's and Holdo's plan is.

• BB-8 overpowers and ties 3 prison guards armed with blasters, and muffles their mouths... ALONE.

• Not enough convincing reasons are shown to explain Skywalker's decision to abandon his sister, friends, whole Republic and Resistance, even if they all get killed during his exile. That decision, and the decision to kill Ben, is not in line with Luke's character from the previous movies.

• Why did Luke make a map which shows his location, and then put a map piece in R2 and gave a map piece to Lor San Tekka, if he didn't want to be found? Whole story about "The map to Skywalker" from Episode VII is now illogical...

• Not even ONE information about Snoke's background, long-term plans, source of his power, etc.? Unbelievable how they wasted that character....

• Water ends up on Kylo's glove after "Force connection" talk. That looked completely out of touch with how the Force works in the previous movies. The same problem is present in the scene with Yoda's Force ghost, when he summons real lightning from the sky and therefore directly influences events in the real world (and then he laughs about that like a lunatic).

• Why all armies in the galaxy don't use "hyperspace torpedoes" to ram spaceship fleets of the enemy, like Holdo did with the Resistance's spaceship, if that is so effective tactic?

• Also, why Resistance's ship commanders have to stay and die on their ships when all fuel is spent? We are shown that a ship without fuel is useless in any case, and so their death is also useless...

• Leia survives WITHOUT A SCAR massive explosions that killed everybody else on the ship's bridge, and she also survives vacuum of space (Jedi are not immortal, and without a space suit a Jedi / human would not survive for more than 60 seconds in space). Then she somehow moves herself through space back to the ship, while her dress is waving like the wind is blowing in space.

• Luke gives Han's golden cubes (dice) to Leia, knowing they have great emotional value to her, although he is aware that cubes will vanish in about 20 minutes because they are also "Force projection". That was a very cruel thing to do (and something that Luke wouldn't done)... A few minutes later Leia is leaving cubes behind when she escapes from the base, although our logic tells us that she would keep them.

• By the way, Leia and Kilo were able to hold dice in their hands. How? Han's golden cubes were "Force projection", and Luke showed us while he was "fighting" Kilo that Force projection is like a Force ghost - it could not be touched or held.

• BB-8 manages to disable guards by shooting a pile of golden coins at them. The BB-8 has special compartment for storing coins, and special device for shooting them? And so much coins were inserted in him in the casino? And coins are enough to disable the guards? Silly...

• BB-8 is piloting AT-ST walker alone, AND he is firing its cannons with great precision in the same time. 4 hands were needed for that in the "Return of the Jedi"...

• Finn and Rose parked their spaceship on the beach of the casino planet, where it was easily seen and reported to the police, although they came there on a secret mission and should have landed on some hidden spot. That doesn't make sense...

• Finn and Rose enter the casino dressed in their usual clothes, although they don't want to draw attention to themselves. That was so naive and stupid... Would not be a better idea if they picked something to wear similar to those rich people around them? Rose is wearing dirty mechanic clothes when they enter the casino...

• Finn and Rose are releasing "space horses" from the stable, but not the children-slaves.

• Finn and Rose are trying to escape from the casino planet as soon as possible by riding "space horses", although they still didn't completed their mission (they didn't enlist help from a codebreaker). Why? As far as they know, the fate of the Resistance depends on finding the codebraker, but they just flee...

• On the planet Crait, Rose and Finn have relaxed, slow romantic scene and they share a kiss, while army of gigantic AT-ATs in front of them are firing on anything that moves, and First Order is just about to kill all their friends. Also, their "love story" was totally unnecessary and unconvincing.

• How is Finn (who is dragging Rose's body) able to cross the great distance back to the Rebel base after that, without being attacked?

• Kilo Ren is not suspicious when Luke holds the same lightsabre on the planet Crait as the one which was split in half shortly before that, when Kylo was confronting Rey.

• Rey falls into a body of water on Ahch-To and swims easily to the shore. She has spent her entire life on a desert planet. When did she learn to swim?

• Chewie, R2-D2 and C-3PO do almost nothing during the movie, they are there only because the movie should "feel" like a Star Wars movie to the older fans.

• Too much unnecessary jokes and humor, and too much Porgs - just to please kids who will buy Star Wars toys later...

• Poe's phone-prank at the beginning of the movie was cringe-worthy. That was the first sign for me that this movie may not be so great as I hoped it would be.

• Phasma was again completely wasted character, without any purpose in the plot (other than to boost sales of the action figure).

RIPOFFS FROM THE ORIGINAL SAGA - 3 examples:

• Taken from "The Empire strikes back": Surface battle on the remote white planet, complete with AT-AT walkers, low flying rebel fighters, secret rebel base hidden under the surface, trenches, rebel cannons, etc. (Battle oh Hoth)

• Taken from "Return of the Jedi": Kylo (Vader) brings Rey (Luke) to the Snoke (Emperor), while Rey (Luke) is hoping that Kylo (Vader) can be turned from the Dark Side. Snoke (Emperor) shows Rey (Luke) how the Rebel fleet is destroyed while they speak. Snoke (Emperor) has Rey's (Luke's) lightsabre beside him, which Rey (Luke) wants to get by using Force. Many parts of the dialogue are almost the same.

• Taken from "Return of the Jedi": Millennium Falcon is chased by TIE-Fighters through the mines of mineral planet Crait - that scene is almost exact copy of the chase through the Death Star in the Return of the Jedi, where we also had TIE-Fighters chasing Falcon through similar tight spaces and obstacles (they just painted them red in this movie).

There are many more reasons why this movie is a failure... If you go to see "The Last Jedi", turn off your brain, banish all hopes, and just enjoy beautiful cinematography. At least they have done that right.

 

[GPLegend]

Das Highlight ist die gesamte Verfolgungsjagd mit dem Auto und dann Motorrad. Einfach wahnsinnig gut gefilmt und inszeniert.

Besser als die in Ronin?

 

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Ich fand den Anfang geil. Ging direkt gut ab. Haben wir den selben Film geguckt? Liest sich bei dir irgendwie wie ein anderer Film.

Ach, keine Ahnung. Hab mir halt mehr erhofft und war bzw. bin noch bisschen genervt davon, dass der Film mir dann doch nicht so gut gefallen hat. Anfang war eigentlich ganz gut, aber die Jumpscares waren wieder so unnötig und deplatziert. In Ansätzen war eine gute Atmosphäre vorhanden, hat mich dadurch aber total verloren. Und die zweite Hälfte war halt auch leider so dermaßen vorhersehbar, teilweise schon bisschen kitschig gegen Ende. Die Szene mit den Puppen fand ich noch ganz cool. Ansonsten war der Film auch schön gedreht, tolle Kamera, usw usf. Potential war da, wurde aber imo nicht entsprechend genutzt.

Pascal Laugier hat mit Martyrs die Messlatte auch entsprechend hoch gesetzt. Hab den aber auch erst einmal gesehen, muss mal schauen, ob der immer noch denselben Impact hat wie damals.

Das Highlight ist die gesamte Verfolgungsjagd mit dem Auto und dann Motorrad. Einfach wahnsinnig gut gefilmt und inszeniert.

Und verliert mit der Auflösung der Szene total an Relevanz und Sinnhaftigkeit. Da hab ich mich im Kino damals dezent aufgeregt.

 

[dynosys]

Ach, keine Ahnung. Hab mir halt mehr erhofft und war bzw. bin noch bisschen genervt davon, dass der Film mir dann doch nicht so gut gefallen hat.

Ist ja auch in Ordnung. Dachte aber echt kurz geht um nen anderen Film weil ich mich nicht so an Jumpscares erinnert habe. Ich fand die zwei Typen halt ganz cool und dass sie so brachial da direkt zu Werke gehen . Ansonsten hab ich das meiste auch wieder vergessen.

Zu Martyrs. Da mochte ich eigentlich eh immer nur die erste Hälfte. Als sie dann in den Keller gesperrt wird, verliert der Film für mich an Interesse.

 

[DoK]

Martyrs... Das war doch einer der Filme aus der französischen Horror-/Terrorwelle...
Kann mich auch noch an High Tension, Inside und einen weiteren Film mit ner Nazi-Familie erinnern.
Hab ich einen vergessen? Damals konnte ich so einen kranken Kram noch gucken...

 

[olddeadman30]

Ist ja auch in Ordnung. Dachte aber echt kurz geht um nen anderen Film weil ich mich nicht so an Jumpscares erinnert habe. Ich fand die zwei Typen halt ganz cool und dass sie so brachial da direkt zu Werke gehen . Ansonsten hab ich das meiste auch wieder vergessen.

Zu Martyrs. Da mochte ich eigentlich eh immer nur die erste Hälfte. Als sie dann in den Keller gesperrt wird, verliert der Film für mich an Interesse.

gerade die 2. Hälfte fand ich stärker als die 1. und mit das beste was ich seit langem gesehen hatte im Horror Genre. Danach war ich wirklich leicht entsetzt und verwirrt über das was ich da gesehen hatte. Fand ich wie gesagt extrem stark

 

[Frank]

Star Wars 8

wtf/10 - ich weiß noch gar nicht wie ich diesen Film bewerten soll, bin noch etwas traumatisiert nach der gestrigen Sichtung Ey, an dem Film ist soviel kaputt, mal abgesehen von der Länge und schlechtem Pacing ist die Darstellung der Macht unfassbarer Blödsinn, da wird alles über den Haufen geworfen was zig Filme und Bücher aufgebaut haben.
Story ist auch übel und größtenteils nur eine Wiederholung alter Ereignisse, dabei haben doch gerade die Bücher gezeigt, daß man soviel neues zeigen kann in diesem Universum.
Bin echt etwas geschockt wie Ryan Johnson das Sw Universum vergewaltigt hat, dem Pisser sollte man nie wieder ein Projekt anvertrauen, der kann weder ein Drehbuch schreiben noch vernünftig Regie führen. Ich hab mich tatsächlich öfters gelangweilt und das in einem Star Wars Film, eigentlich ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit. Abgerundet wurde dieses Desaster durch eine Vielzahl an steifen und peinlichen Dialogen.

Amüsant ist es aber, nach dem Film Imdb Reviews zu lesen, da wird einem bewußt wie viel komprimierte Scheiße in diesem Film steckt.

Spoiler: Zwei unterhaltsame Beispiele:

SPOILER: This movie was just magical.

The Force has become like Harry Potter magic, with a new spell every day or so.

Rey is just magical. With practically training whatsoever she can take on Luke and Kylo and win.

Snoke is magical. He appeared out of nowhere in The Force Awakens and in The Last Jedi has such fantastic Force powers (never before seen in the entire Star Wars Universe) and yet can't tell when his protege is scheming to slice him in two (but could fell his every throught earlier, and even manipulate him and Rey's thoughts and get them to intergalactically Skype each other and even send water through space).

Luke is magical. He can magically project himself light years away and even bring solid things (the lucky dice) with him. Then dies magically for no apparent reason.

Yoda is magical. His Force-ghost actually has more Force powers than when he was alive! Calling down lightning from the sky??? Heck, why don't the Jedi just do that when fighting on Tattooine or whatever? And if Force-ghosts still have Force powers why not the whole gang of Anakin, Ben and Yoda take on Snoke?

Rose is magical. She appears out of nowhere and just happens to go along with Finn on a completely unnecessary mission to find a code breaker, and find not one but TWO code breakers, one of which is in the SAME CELL as they are. I mean, is that magical or what?

Leia is magical. Previously in 7 movies only having the barest abilities in the Force, she now can survive in space for quite a long time and even open her eyes without getting them immediately frozen, and Force-Mary Poppins herself back to the space ship. Magical!

I could go on and on. The biggest problem with The Last Jedi is that it's one shameless Deus Ex Machina after another. And don't even get me started on the stupid feminist nonsense, the inane attempt at comedy, the stupid characters who go nowhere in their characterisation, the stupid casino subplot, the stupid "saving" of Finn who wanted to sacrifice himself by Rose who magically now has feeling for him and both of them magically survive without getting shot at by the entire First Order army. Oops, I did go on and on.

If you make a movie, you need to make sure your movie stays in the universe it came from. Not invent new rules, new powers, new super villains, new behaviours from old characters, etc. out of bloody nowhere.

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I had relatively high expectations of the Episode VIII. Unfortunately, "The Last Jedi" has so many plot holes, inconsistencies, ripoffs from previous movies, annoyingly flat and underdeveloped characters and dialogs, that it deserves many bad reviews that it receives from the public. It could have been so much better...

PLOT HOLES and THINGS THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE - examples:

• Vice Admiral Holdo, for no reason at all, doesn't inform Poe and other members of the Resistance about the planet Crait and the escape plan. This creates Poe's unnecessary mutiny, just to fill the movie with some unneeded drama and to make cheap "twist" when we realize what the Leia's and Holdo's plan is.

• BB-8 overpowers and ties 3 prison guards armed with blasters, and muffles their mouths... ALONE.

• Not enough convincing reasons are shown to explain Skywalker's decision to abandon his sister, friends, whole Republic and Resistance, even if they all get killed during his exile. That decision, and the decision to kill Ben, is not in line with Luke's character from the previous movies.

• Why did Luke make a map which shows his location, and then put a map piece in R2 and gave a map piece to Lor San Tekka, if he didn't want to be found? Whole story about "The map to Skywalker" from Episode VII is now illogical...

• Not even ONE information about Snoke's background, long-term plans, source of his power, etc.? Unbelievable how they wasted that character....

• Water ends up on Kylo's glove after "Force connection" talk. That looked completely out of touch with how the Force works in the previous movies. The same problem is present in the scene with Yoda's Force ghost, when he summons real lightning from the sky and therefore directly influences events in the real world (and then he laughs about that like a lunatic).

• Why all armies in the galaxy don't use "hyperspace torpedoes" to ram spaceship fleets of the enemy, like Holdo did with the Resistance's spaceship, if that is so effective tactic?

• Also, why Resistance's ship commanders have to stay and die on their ships when all fuel is spent? We are shown that a ship without fuel is useless in any case, and so their death is also useless...

• Leia survives WITHOUT A SCAR massive explosions that killed everybody else on the ship's bridge, and she also survives vacuum of space (Jedi are not immortal, and without a space suit a Jedi / human would not survive for more than 60 seconds in space). Then she somehow moves herself through space back to the ship, while her dress is waving like the wind is blowing in space.

• Luke gives Han's golden cubes (dice) to Leia, knowing they have great emotional value to her, although he is aware that cubes will vanish in about 20 minutes because they are also "Force projection". That was a very cruel thing to do (and something that Luke wouldn't done)... A few minutes later Leia is leaving cubes behind when she escapes from the base, although our logic tells us that she would keep them.

• By the way, Leia and Kilo were able to hold dice in their hands. How? Han's golden cubes were "Force projection", and Luke showed us while he was "fighting" Kilo that Force projection is like a Force ghost - it could not be touched or held.

• BB-8 manages to disable guards by shooting a pile of golden coins at them. The BB-8 has special compartment for storing coins, and special device for shooting them? And so much coins were inserted in him in the casino? And coins are enough to disable the guards? Silly...

• BB-8 is piloting AT-ST walker alone, AND he is firing its cannons with great precision in the same time. 4 hands were needed for that in the "Return of the Jedi"...

• Finn and Rose parked their spaceship on the beach of the casino planet, where it was easily seen and reported to the police, although they came there on a secret mission and should have landed on some hidden spot. That doesn't make sense...

• Finn and Rose enter the casino dressed in their usual clothes, although they don't want to draw attention to themselves. That was so naive and stupid... Would not be a better idea if they picked something to wear similar to those rich people around them? Rose is wearing dirty mechanic clothes when they enter the casino...

• Finn and Rose are releasing "space horses" from the stable, but not the children-slaves.

• Finn and Rose are trying to escape from the casino planet as soon as possible by riding "space horses", although they still didn't completed their mission (they didn't enlist help from a codebreaker). Why? As far as they know, the fate of the Resistance depends on finding the codebraker, but they just flee...

• On the planet Crait, Rose and Finn have relaxed, slow romantic scene and they share a kiss, while army of gigantic AT-ATs in front of them are firing on anything that moves, and First Order is just about to kill all their friends. Also, their "love story" was totally unnecessary and unconvincing.

• How is Finn (who is dragging Rose's body) able to cross the great distance back to the Rebel base after that, without being attacked?

• Kilo Ren is not suspicious when Luke holds the same lightsabre on the planet Crait as the one which was split in half shortly before that, when Kylo was confronting Rey.

• Rey falls into a body of water on Ahch-To and swims easily to the shore. She has spent her entire life on a desert planet. When did she learn to swim?

• Chewie, R2-D2 and C-3PO do almost nothing during the movie, they are there only because the movie should "feel" like a Star Wars movie to the older fans.

• Too much unnecessary jokes and humor, and too much Porgs - just to please kids who will buy Star Wars toys later...

• Poe's phone-prank at the beginning of the movie was cringe-worthy. That was the first sign for me that this movie may not be so great as I hoped it would be.

• Phasma was again completely wasted character, without any purpose in the plot (other than to boost sales of the action figure).

RIPOFFS FROM THE ORIGINAL SAGA - 3 examples:

• Taken from "The Empire strikes back": Surface battle on the remote white planet, complete with AT-AT walkers, low flying rebel fighters, secret rebel base hidden under the surface, trenches, rebel cannons, etc. (Battle oh Hoth)

• Taken from "Return of the Jedi": Kylo (Vader) brings Rey (Luke) to the Snoke (Emperor), while Rey (Luke) is hoping that Kylo (Vader) can be turned from the Dark Side. Snoke (Emperor) shows Rey (Luke) how the Rebel fleet is destroyed while they speak. Snoke (Emperor) has Rey's (Luke's) lightsabre beside him, which Rey (Luke) wants to get by using Force. Many parts of the dialogue are almost the same.

• Taken from "Return of the Jedi": Millennium Falcon is chased by TIE-Fighters through the mines of mineral planet Crait - that scene is almost exact copy of the chase through the Death Star in the Return of the Jedi, where we also had TIE-Fighters chasing Falcon through similar tight spaces and obstacles (they just painted them red in this movie).

There are many more reasons why this movie is a failure... If you go to see "The Last Jedi", turn off your brain, banish all hopes, and just enjoy beautiful cinematography. At least they have done that right.

Meine Lieblingsszene ist ja immer noch, als sie die Rebellenschiffe enttarnen, die Fensterrolladen hochfahren und man die Schiffe im Hintergrund fliegen sieht. Hätten sie mal früher aus dem Fenster geschaut, uns wäre viel erspart geblieben

 

[dynosys]

gerade die 2. Hälfte fand ich stärker als die 1. und mit das beste was ich seit langem gesehen hatte im Horror Genre. Danach war ich wirklich leicht entsetzt und verwirrt über das was ich da gesehen hatte. Fand ich wie gesagt extrem stark

Ist halt Geschmackssache. Erste Hälfte fand ich einfach mehr Psycho wo sie von der grotesken Halluzination verfolgt wird. Fand ich richtig stark. Alles danach war halt nur noch auf Gewalt und Folter aus, sowas langweilt mich. Obwohl die Idee dahinter sehr faszinierend war.

 

[olddeadman30]

Ist halt Geschmackssache. Erste Hälfte fand ich einfach mehr Psycho wo sie von der grotesken Halluzination verfolgt wird. Fand ich richtig stark. Alles danach war halt nur noch auf Gewalt und Folter aus, sowas langweilt mich. Obwohl die Idee dahinter sehr faszinierend war.

verstehe ich. Natürlich gefällt da jedem etwas anderes was Horror angeht. Ich mag eigentlich diesen Psycho Horror in dem du dir vorstellen musst / kannst was passieren kann kombiniert mit einer guten Atmosphäre auch sehr, aber hier haben sie es für mich geschafft das mit krassen Bildern und einer frischen Idee zu verbinden. Das alles zusammen fand ich damals schon geil

 

[Freak]

Star Wars 8

wtf/10 - ich weiß noch gar nicht wie ich diesen Film bewerten soll, bin noch etwas traumatisiert nach der gestrigen Sichtung Ey, an dem Film ist soviel kaputt, mal abgesehen von der Länge und schlechtem Pacing ist die Darstellung der Macht unfassbarer Blödsinn, da wird alles über den Haufen geworfen was zig Filme und Bücher aufgebaut haben.
Story ist auch übel und größtenteils nur eine Wiederholung alter Ereignisse, dabei haben doch gerade die Bücher gezeigt, daß man soviel neues zeigen kann in diesem Universum.
Bin echt etwas geschockt wie Ryan Johnson das Sw Universum vergewaltigt hat, dem Pisser sollte man nie wieder ein Projekt anvertrauen, der kann weder ein Drehbuch schreiben noch vernünftig Regie führen. Ich hab mich tatsächlich öfters gelangweilt und das in einem Star Wars Film, eigentlich ein Ding der Unmöglichkeit. Abgerundet wurde dieses Desaster durch eine Vielzahl an steifen und peinlichen Dialogen.

Amüsant ist es aber, nach dem Film Imdb Reviews zu lesen, da wird einem bewußt wie viel komprimierte Scheiße in diesem Film steckt.

Spoiler: Zwei unterhaltsame Beispiele:

SPOILER: This movie was just magical.

The Force has become like Harry Potter magic, with a new spell every day or so.

Rey is just magical. With practically training whatsoever she can take on Luke and Kylo and win.

Snoke is magical. He appeared out of nowhere in The Force Awakens and in The Last Jedi has such fantastic Force powers (never before seen in the entire Star Wars Universe) and yet can't tell when his protege is scheming to slice him in two (but could fell his every throught earlier, and even manipulate him and Rey's thoughts and get them to intergalactically Skype each other and even send water through space).

Luke is magical. He can magically project himself light years away and even bring solid things (the lucky dice) with him. Then dies magically for no apparent reason.

Yoda is magical. His Force-ghost actually has more Force powers than when he was alive! Calling down lightning from the sky??? Heck, why don't the Jedi just do that when fighting on Tattooine or whatever? And if Force-ghosts still have Force powers why not the whole gang of Anakin, Ben and Yoda take on Snoke?

Rose is magical. She appears out of nowhere and just happens to go along with Finn on a completely unnecessary mission to find a code breaker, and find not one but TWO code breakers, one of which is in the SAME CELL as they are. I mean, is that magical or what?

Leia is magical. Previously in 7 movies only having the barest abilities in the Force, she now can survive in space for quite a long time and even open her eyes without getting them immediately frozen, and Force-Mary Poppins herself back to the space ship. Magical!

I could go on and on. The biggest problem with The Last Jedi is that it's one shameless Deus Ex Machina after another. And don't even get me started on the stupid feminist nonsense, the inane attempt at comedy, the stupid characters who go nowhere in their characterisation, the stupid casino subplot, the stupid "saving" of Finn who wanted to sacrifice himself by Rose who magically now has feeling for him and both of them magically survive without getting shot at by the entire First Order army. Oops, I did go on and on.

If you make a movie, you need to make sure your movie stays in the universe it came from. Not invent new rules, new powers, new super villains, new behaviours from old characters, etc. out of bloody nowhere.

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I had relatively high expectations of the Episode VIII. Unfortunately, "The Last Jedi" has so many plot holes, inconsistencies, ripoffs from previous movies, annoyingly flat and underdeveloped characters and dialogs, that it deserves many bad reviews that it receives from the public. It could have been so much better...

PLOT HOLES and THINGS THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE - examples:

• Vice Admiral Holdo, for no reason at all, doesn't inform Poe and other members of the Resistance about the planet Crait and the escape plan. This creates Poe's unnecessary mutiny, just to fill the movie with some unneeded drama and to make cheap "twist" when we realize what the Leia's and Holdo's plan is.

• BB-8 overpowers and ties 3 prison guards armed with blasters, and muffles their mouths... ALONE.

• Not enough convincing reasons are shown to explain Skywalker's decision to abandon his sister, friends, whole Republic and Resistance, even if they all get killed during his exile. That decision, and the decision to kill Ben, is not in line with Luke's character from the previous movies.

• Why did Luke make a map which shows his location, and then put a map piece in R2 and gave a map piece to Lor San Tekka, if he didn't want to be found? Whole story about "The map to Skywalker" from Episode VII is now illogical...

• Not even ONE information about Snoke's background, long-term plans, source of his power, etc.? Unbelievable how they wasted that character....

• Water ends up on Kylo's glove after "Force connection" talk. That looked completely out of touch with how the Force works in the previous movies. The same problem is present in the scene with Yoda's Force ghost, when he summons real lightning from the sky and therefore directly influences events in the real world (and then he laughs about that like a lunatic).

• Why all armies in the galaxy don't use "hyperspace torpedoes" to ram spaceship fleets of the enemy, like Holdo did with the Resistance's spaceship, if that is so effective tactic?

• Also, why Resistance's ship commanders have to stay and die on their ships when all fuel is spent? We are shown that a ship without fuel is useless in any case, and so their death is also useless...

• Leia survives WITHOUT A SCAR massive explosions that killed everybody else on the ship's bridge, and she also survives vacuum of space (Jedi are not immortal, and without a space suit a Jedi / human would not survive for more than 60 seconds in space). Then she somehow moves herself through space back to the ship, while her dress is waving like the wind is blowing in space.

• Luke gives Han's golden cubes (dice) to Leia, knowing they have great emotional value to her, although he is aware that cubes will vanish in about 20 minutes because they are also "Force projection". That was a very cruel thing to do (and something that Luke wouldn't done)... A few minutes later Leia is leaving cubes behind when she escapes from the base, although our logic tells us that she would keep them.

• By the way, Leia and Kilo were able to hold dice in their hands. How? Han's golden cubes were "Force projection", and Luke showed us while he was "fighting" Kilo that Force projection is like a Force ghost - it could not be touched or held.

• BB-8 manages to disable guards by shooting a pile of golden coins at them. The BB-8 has special compartment for storing coins, and special device for shooting them? And so much coins were inserted in him in the casino? And coins are enough to disable the guards? Silly...

• BB-8 is piloting AT-ST walker alone, AND he is firing its cannons with great precision in the same time. 4 hands were needed for that in the "Return of the Jedi"...

• Finn and Rose parked their spaceship on the beach of the casino planet, where it was easily seen and reported to the police, although they came there on a secret mission and should have landed on some hidden spot. That doesn't make sense...

• Finn and Rose enter the casino dressed in their usual clothes, although they don't want to draw attention to themselves. That was so naive and stupid... Would not be a better idea if they picked something to wear similar to those rich people around them? Rose is wearing dirty mechanic clothes when they enter the casino...

• Finn and Rose are releasing "space horses" from the stable, but not the children-slaves.

• Finn and Rose are trying to escape from the casino planet as soon as possible by riding "space horses", although they still didn't completed their mission (they didn't enlist help from a codebreaker). Why? As far as they know, the fate of the Resistance depends on finding the codebraker, but they just flee...

• On the planet Crait, Rose and Finn have relaxed, slow romantic scene and they share a kiss, while army of gigantic AT-ATs in front of them are firing on anything that moves, and First Order is just about to kill all their friends. Also, their "love story" was totally unnecessary and unconvincing.

• How is Finn (who is dragging Rose's body) able to cross the great distance back to the Rebel base after that, without being attacked?

• Kilo Ren is not suspicious when Luke holds the same lightsabre on the planet Crait as the one which was split in half shortly before that, when Kylo was confronting Rey.

• Rey falls into a body of water on Ahch-To and swims easily to the shore. She has spent her entire life on a desert planet. When did she learn to swim?

• Chewie, R2-D2 and C-3PO do almost nothing during the movie, they are there only because the movie should "feel" like a Star Wars movie to the older fans.

• Too much unnecessary jokes and humor, and too much Porgs - just to please kids who will buy Star Wars toys later...

• Poe's phone-prank at the beginning of the movie was cringe-worthy. That was the first sign for me that this movie may not be so great as I hoped it would be.

• Phasma was again completely wasted character, without any purpose in the plot (other than to boost sales of the action figure).

RIPOFFS FROM THE ORIGINAL SAGA - 3 examples:

• Taken from "The Empire strikes back": Surface battle on the remote white planet, complete with AT-AT walkers, low flying rebel fighters, secret rebel base hidden under the surface, trenches, rebel cannons, etc. (Battle oh Hoth)

• Taken from "Return of the Jedi": Kylo (Vader) brings Rey (Luke) to the Snoke (Emperor), while Rey (Luke) is hoping that Kylo (Vader) can be turned from the Dark Side. Snoke (Emperor) shows Rey (Luke) how the Rebel fleet is destroyed while they speak. Snoke (Emperor) has Rey's (Luke's) lightsabre beside him, which Rey (Luke) wants to get by using Force. Many parts of the dialogue are almost the same.

• Taken from "Return of the Jedi": Millennium Falcon is chased by TIE-Fighters through the mines of mineral planet Crait - that scene is almost exact copy of the chase through the Death Star in the Return of the Jedi, where we also had TIE-Fighters chasing Falcon through similar tight spaces and obstacles (they just painted them red in this movie).

There are many more reasons why this movie is a failure... If you go to see "The Last Jedi", turn off your brain, banish all hopes, and just enjoy beautiful cinematography. At least they have done that right.

Ich hoffe, Episode 9 startet mit dem Aufwachen von Rey, die alle Ereignisse aus Episode 8 nur geträumt hatte und Abrams schließt dann an Episode 7 an.

 

[megachri]

Grade die 2. Staffel von Six beendet... absolut geil!!! Ich hoffe, da kommen noch ein paar...

 

[Eventer]

Six wurde eingestellt. Hab die zweite Staffel nach drei Folgen abgebrochen weil das nur noch schlecht war.